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Topic: AlienSlof's stories
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Sylsaryn
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Your stories are really good, Alienslof, and well written, but I have to object.
The very appeal of the Aliens is that they ARE cold, emotionless killing machines. You said yourself; in YOUR stories they have emotions. The Aliens don't HAVE emotions. You make them into a whole new species, and yet you call them the famous Aliens. You make the aliens human, destroying fully half of their appeal. I for one can't support that. Make a new species, whatever, but using the Aliens like that is almost sacriligious. That said, don't give up writing, you have talent

killadutch
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Posts: 338

Who said she was giving up writing? I, for one, love the way she gives the aliens emotions. If you are going to center a story around an alien, you dont want it to be going "Drool, drool. I-am-a-robot."

NiteStalker
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i find the emotions refreshing (although occasionally disturbing ), as not many other people would be brave enough to try. Sloffie doesnt just do it - she does it well. and as killadutch sed:
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If you are going to center a story around an alien, you dont want it to be going "Drool, drool. I-am-a-robot."


AlienSlof
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Posts: 1136

At the beginning of DoX1 I did put a disclaimer saying this was my interpretation of them. But you can't tell me that at the end of Aliens, when Ripley destroyed Queenie's eggs, that the alien simply didn't care. She looked pretty distressed to me, as any mother would be if her babies were killed. Distressed = emotion. She was also so angry she went stomping off after Ripley - would she have done that if she had no feelings?

I made my particular branch of aliens sentient because I wanted to do first-person POV - it wouldn't have read very well if all I'd done was 'I killed this human, then I killed two more. A bit later I tore apart another one. I got hungry so I ate something.' OK, so giving them the ability to reason and think may not be how you see them, but it was the best way of making an interesting storyline. Remember too, that the movies only show it from the human POV - it doesn't really explore the aliens in that much detail - just what the humans see of them. They may not have been portrayed as sentient but like all animals they are able to have and show feelings without requiring full sentience.

To be honest I expected many more comments like this, and indeed even dissing it when I first made my stuff public, so I'm not put out really. The beauty of the whole Aliens thing is that it's ficticious, each person having their own ideas is what gives it so much depth and keeps fuelling the interest ever onwards.

The only thing I can say is either don't read it if it makes you feel it is wrong or suspend your ideas and just enjoy it for what it is - a story!

Thanx for the comments from all 'o ya!

A'hrisss
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Posts: 60

I do agree with both of you, but I want my two cents in there.The main perpose of the xenomorph was to be the coldblooded killer in a movie but look what it is now! For people's interpretation differ for one and another.Thats why people have controversaries like the one you two are having.We are all intitaled to are owne opinions.

killadutch
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Posts: 338

Tho you do throw a lot of emotion in your stories sloffy, there's still lots of killing and eating for people like me .

Sylsaryn
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Posts: 4

Well, I'm glad I got this much of a response - though most of it is negative. Granted, you're right 'slof, at the end of Aliens the queen DID show some emotion, but only emotions related to survival - which is their purpose, ultimate survivors. They didn't have emotions that aren't related to survival, or have the ability to speak. A proud Alien discussing the egg-laying rate of its queen?

Sylsaryn
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One more note: no, I wouldn't want stories about the aliens to be "drool drool I'm a robot" but did you read Earth Hive, killadutch?

Skar'ku_Mar'kel-ja
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Posts: 1940

Stop beating up on slof guys. everyone has their own style of writting. and people who read any of slofs fiction from her site will notice that the hyperlink to get to the story section is called FICTION!
ps i am not trying to mke enimies. i'm just stating the obvious

AlienSlof
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Posts: 1136

If you don't like it, don't read it - simple as that. I wanted to do something that was different from the usual 'Marines beat up Aliens' run of the mill stuff, but if that floats your boat then fine. Don't read my stuff.

Pretty simple ain't it? Don't read it - read stuff that you do like.

The clue is in the title - 'fiction'

Skar'ku_Mar'kel-ja
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Posts: 1940

Well spoken. that new story of your on your site is a bit different. isn't it?

NiteStalker
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Posts: 211

aliens pretty clearly do have emotions - in A3, it wouldnt kill ripley cos of the queen embryo. then she dunks it in millions of degrees of molten lead, and it comes out pissed as hell and trys to kill her. the queen in res shows fear of the newborn. the newborn shows affection for ripley (although, i admit, it isnt a normal alien and cant really be used as an example). there are other examples, but i think they are covered elsewhere on this site (in an essay i think, but possibly in a forum)

Cliff
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Posts: 1212

Well the idea of aliens having emotions took away some of its mystery but then again it was a fic so after realizing that I found it to be a really good story.
Anyway people did the same thing with the predators giving them a human mind and reasoning (by people I also mean some of the professional writers).
The beauty of the preds where they where killing machines (like aliens strangely enough) no apparent emotions or fear just killing leaving the people to decide what is going on in there heads, but giving them a human reasoning turned them into arrogant mellow human with bad skin and bug guns.
Anyway back to the aliens…
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and it comes out pissed as hell and trys to kill her


Well the queen was about to pop out of Ripley so perhaps killing Ripley at that time would not have killed the queen, perhaps the queens development was complete and she was just getting ready to pop out (and the runner just felt like helping.)
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the queen in res shows fear


Remember the queen just gave birth adding a human reproductive system so it wouldn’t be to big a assumption that she might have incorporated human emotions, which according to the novelitions she did take from Ripley as well as the ability to read.)

AlienSlof
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Posts: 1136

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at the end of Aliens the queen DID show some emotion, but only emotions related to survival - which is their purpose, ultimate survivors. They didn't have emotions that aren't related to survival, or have the ability to speak. A proud Alien discussing the egg-laying rate of its queen?



Only as far as you saw from a human POV. All the movies, books and comics are human POV looking at the aliens and very likely not showing the whole picture. The private lives of aliens has just never really been tackled until I had a go at it.

The speaking and indeed setting herself up as a god is not unique to my stories - it was from a comic I have had for many years that I got the idea and simply expanded upon it, again from alien POV.

If you want a good, well written, human POV story, then check out AlienQueen's 'Chrysalis' - very long, but more your bag than my stuff I think, and better written too.

Skar'ku_Mar'kel-ja
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Posts: 1940

Good story that one. one of the better ones i have read lots of mystery and contour

_Ccx
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Posts: 104

My opinion is that aliens uses part of hosts' dna, that helps them to be everytime stronger than their hosts.

So aliens gets some of host's nature.

So using humans as hosts make them more and more humanic.

In movies - There was maximaly third queen that had human as host. Isn't S'liithsss much more closer to humans than them?

killadutch
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Posts: 338

Hmmmm, but if they hugged a pred, like Cliff said, wouldn't that make them arrogant bastards .

AlienSlof
Rank: 8
Posts: 1136

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My opinion is that aliens uses part of hosts' dna, that helps them to be everytime stronger than their hosts.

So aliens gets some of host's nature.

So using humans as hosts make them more and more humanic.



That's more or less how I worked it - the aliens' genetic make-up is incomplete, the missing dna is taken from the host. (in my stories anyway) I used for this idea the dog-like Alien 3, and the predalien idea from AvP2. S'liithsss comes from a line of Queens that all came from human hosts, each passing on some of that to her daughter as well as that taken from the host of each one.

On top of that, because she set herself up first as their god, then later shaping that into a proper alliance, some of the human influences have rubbed off on her - in a similar way to how mannerisms can rub off from those around.

Sylsaryn
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Posts: 4

I'm not going to defend myself, I was merely expressing an opinion, and a minor one at that. I didn't see any proof of emotions beyond continuation of the species - chasing ripley; thats one.
But I can't help thinking of the Aliens as bees or ants - after all, they're referred to as bugs right? And they are presented almost the same way; That would mean that they are hive-minded, that if any of them have emotions, its ONLY the queen, and she "talks" to her drones through telepathy or pheromones so they couldn't talk either. That would explain all the arguments I've heard so far. And I appologize, like I said, I liked the stories, it was only this that bothered me.

Skar'ku_Mar'kel-ja
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Posts: 1940

but its how you look at it all. every one reads and perscepts a story differently. thats the beutry of fiction.

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