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Does Giger really care?


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Topic: Does Giger really care?
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Acid-Death
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I know its a wierd thought but, its been crossing my mind all day and its been bugging me for ages. Does Giger really care anymore? What it means is that the Alien was his design, and if I designed it I would be proud.
But after 20 years would he forget about it? He has done much artwork over the years, and would he have forgot about it? -gasp- what if he doesnt care anymore!
Lets press the issue.

AlienSlof
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If I was Giger, i probably would still feel proud that my alien was still so popular, but at the same time the poor guy has been pretty much forgotten and ripped off.

Acid-Death
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Thats my point slof, down to the last letter, I just talk a lot!
I have a book of his original designs and they are awesome. The alien looked so gothic, beautiful and terrifying. Over the years they became so different from the original idea. Now instead of having a sleek and beautiful body, they "look like turds" as Giger commented once. I would feel great if what I had drawn 20 years ago interested people all over the world like me. But hes rich now.

DaggleC
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I don't know what you're trying to say - what exactly can he do? What do you want him to do?

AlienSlof
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Well back on the alien designing in Alien 5 would be a good start!

SM
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AKAIK Giger continues to be proud of his creation, at least the very first one.

Oddly enough, this was more designed by a committee. Giger, Scott, O'Bannon, Ron Cobb, Roger Dicken, and Carlo Rambaldi all contributed to what we saw on screen.

AlienSlof
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I'd be proud of it too - a damn fine creature

Renegade
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perfection at its highest...

DaggleC
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That's where Alien Resurrection faultered. If they had Giger designing the Queen and Newborn on that, people may have taken the film slightly more seriously. Maybe if they had decided to make the film from 100% men in suits and/or prosthetics, instead of 90% CGI, then it would have paid off to have Giger onoboard..

SM
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I don't think the Newborn suffered from design problems, but how it fitted into the story. It looked like a human/ Alien hybrid should look. The ever wise JA Eyers said something along the lines of Ripley and co finding the dead Queen would have served the story much better. It asks the question to the characters and the audience - what could've killed a Queen? Would've given the climactic battle a lot more OOMPH!!

The Queen in Resurrection was identical to the one from Aliens (apart from the womb obviously), and more often than not Camerson stuck to the spirit of Giger's original creation.

I'd also dispute that 90% of the Aliens in Resurrection were CGI. There was the lifeboat scene, most of the underwater stuff, a couple of bits on the ladder, and the scene where it stalks past Elgyn's body. Everything else - all the stuff in the cage, death of Elgyn, some ladder stuff, one or two underwater shots, Ripley's capture, the attack on Vriess, the attack on Perez - all that was 'guy in the suit'.

Acid-Death
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Guys in suits?
The word your looking for is anamatronics. No one uses men in suits, when now you can use a computer to express all the emotions needed. (or a guy with a remote control)
I think a minature was used somewhere to.

the_demigod
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I still think that Sil is the more lethal and grotequely-sexual Gigerite monster....

DaggleC
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Okay, so my earlier post was exaggerated more than usual, but it helps put the point across

Guys in suits are much more realistic than anything CGI. Animatronics are still way behind the effect guys in suits can pull off. A1 and A2 were a lot better looking than A3 and A4 mainly because of that.

CGI will catch up, but I still think they should use suits rather than CGI when they can.

Agreed on Sil though

SM
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Guys in suits?
The word your looking for is anamatronics.



No the word I'm looking for is "guys in suits". Predominantly one guy - Tom Woodruff Jr for Alien3 and Resurrection.

The Newborn was an animatronic puppet.

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Guys in suits are much more realistic than anything CGI.



Yeah, generally.

Alien and Aliens got around certain problems by only giving us very short glimpes of the Alien usually. By the time Alien3 roled around, there wasn't much point in hiding it in shadow since most people knew what it looked like, so they had to find other means to convey it's Alien-ness (the mo-motion puppet) and get around logistical problems (guys in suits swimming).

As for Sil - she was more overtly sexual. The Alien was more subtle. And come on, Demi - Sil more lethal than an Alien? I beg to differ!

DaggleC
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By the time Alien3 roled around, there wasn't much point in hiding it in shadow since most people knew what it looked like



They could have played on the Alien-Reflex theory a bit more and keep the 'Dog/Ox Alien' hidden that way. Showing its low stance, or more vicious teeth etc.

In the end, the alien that came from the dog, was TOO similar to the one that came from a human if you ask me. Granted, there are similarities between humans and dogs, and yes, aliens too have their own characteristics to be incorporated (the elongated head, claws etc), but does it do the reflex theory justice by JUST making the dog-alien use four feet?

I don't think so...

Acid-Death
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You are right, a man in a suit will look better than a animatronic. Its gonna be a hell of a long time before we come up with machines that can perfectly simulate organic movement.

Preliator
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Ummm heloo they already have almost perfect CGI have any of you watched JPIII It was flawless movement, and look. FF movie was pretty d*mn good except for the storyline > the characters were almost perfect, I couldn't tell you wat diddn't look right but there was somthing. I can garuntee you A5 is going to be almost totally CGI its the trend of the day.

Cliff
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FF movie was pretty d*mn good except for the storyline



But remember it did take a while to make. To bad about that storyline being so damn crappy

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I can garuntee you A5 is going to be almost totally CGI its the trend of the day



Ain't that true. Wonder why? Guess they (movie guys) must think its more realistic or its easier to do, not quite sure personally.

Acid-Death
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Well if your in the horror business, then one thing you should fear is people laughing at your monster. Thats why people use CGI because people these days laugh at men in suits.
Thats why Ridley never showed the the entire alien at any given time, thats why a lot of original scenes were cut.

Preliator
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Yeah they liked to use stuff lthat was animatronic but it too is too bulky look at JP and JPIII they somtimes used full sized robotz, (You know that fight scene between T-rex and spiny it was mostly animitronic, IE The spiny bot seriously busted the rex.) But you have to admit if it doesn't always look better (which most of the time it is) it's a whole LOT cheaper.
Doom on man in gadzilla suit.

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