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Robert_Wren
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 Posted on: 2004-04-08 09:28
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None of my creations are invincible. IE
Tyrant-Organs are exposed on back.
Raptros I-Hates water.
Raptros II-Hates land
Kevin-Flammable
Myself-Can get over-confident.
Concordant Killer-ANY defects in human blood injures him.
Spaz-Hates anything holy and vurnerable when spellcasting.
Demorgon-Bickers with himself (other head)
PT-1 Me
PT-2 Spaz
See, none of my troops are invincible.
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TIKI
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Posted on: 2004-04-08 14:33
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i dont think that the species that i am obsessed with are the best. as you said that your characters are not invincible. forgive if i am wrong but i could have sworn that i said seamingly invincible. wait...
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ahhh yes.
your right nothing is invincible. well except the law that says nothing is invicible. but your new species that you make up have maybe one or two things that could kill them. I mean your recent lizard species thing. you said that radiation doesnt hurt them. Radiation hurts every living thing. or atleast affects every species. hell your species couldnt exist. Radiation is one of those things were too much and you can die. to little and you can die. Radiation promotes mutation and growth. there has to be some radiation.
i may be wrong here though. i mean i could be mistaken.
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Crazy Alien Lord
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Posted on: 2004-04-08 14:42
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yes tiki you are correct. i doubt that even alien lord in human form could last very long against a average trained yautja in hand to hand combat.
i doubt that any human could kill an average trained yautja in hand to hand combat.
when i talk about these combats i mean that the yaujta and the other fighter are in a open ring 1 on 1.
but when you bring xenos into play. well then it becomes a more even match.
hand to hand or well hand to claw combat between a yautja and a xeno would be a very good match indeed.
human vs xeno in hand to claw though. HA. maybe somebody like alien lord in human form against a xeno drone. that would be even. but normal human would loose.
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yeth
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Posted on: 2004-04-08 17:19
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Maybe you should do a bit more research about nukes.... 8 nukes and one hydrogen bomb? fro christ sake, that just might take out new york (If you meant missiles like the Russian Satan which carries multiple bombs of a destruction force of about 25megatons) And modernday nukes are hydrogen bombs and that fleet, if it was a space capable fleet, it would be equable to modernday rowboat in navalwarfare if it was destroyed by one nuke.... If your species was defeated by this they aren't all that strong
Alternate was that the bombs were BIG, but for them to be that big.... it's just about impossible because they'd need sooooo big missile to carry them (or would they carry them there?)
And of course, uranium buckshots? JEsus christ do you have any idea how much they would weight, she'd have to be worse than any bodybuilder to combat effectibely and carry them....or she would have to acarry so little bullets that it wouldn't be ideal. You know, there is a limit to muscle endurance.... And from the pic you showed she didn't seem to bulging with muscles.
If they are really that intelligent, why on earth do they use swords on combat, sure it's honorable, it's nifty to write about, but most importantly it isn't cost effective, good luck fighting when your forces are decimated kilometers off their target by artillery/orbital bombardment. That's just the reason why xeno's will be inferior, they rely too much on melee.
And lastly. Remember that nukes aren't any wonder weapons of destruction... they are just big bombs with some intresting side effects.
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Robert_Wren
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 Posted on: 2004-04-09 20:05
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Hopefully this'll go better than the last one...........
OK! Sign Ups for AGN Easter and AGN 4th of July are open!
If you want to be in it, PM me a description of your character, and how he/she acts at parties/gettogethers/shindigs!
Deadline is July 5, 2004
Mutagen Corp.
Great Party Caterers!
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-12 20:07
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First off uranium isn't to heavy to be used in shells, and you think they would carry allot, no they carry them in special casses, there used for hitting larg numbers off troops at once. Each case only holds 24 rounds because of the weaght ristrictions of there troops. Another thing is One nuke would easaly take out atleast a therd of the united states, so eight would be enough to destroy a contenent. And the H-bomb just destroyed the fleet of ships. About things not hurting them allot does, bullets will kill them the same as a human and bombs, flames, geting crused, smashed into a wall and falling from a plain would have the same effect as it would on a human. Acid doesn't hurt them and the only one that could take on a hive is the one I mentioned simply because of her skill with a sword and dager. she's fast and is the only one to basicly do the same thing a Yautja does by collecting troghys but unlike them it's not the skulls. And about them killing me with there bare hands it didn't kill Dutch so I dout it could kill me with one punch, just because he has musles dosn't mean he can take more of a beating. Oh and an H-bomb isn't the same thing as a nuke, an H-bomb is Like a giant concusion bomb and there is no spliting of an atom, an thermal nukeler divice splits an atom whitch is usualy Uranium. There swords are used for alot more than slashing the idiot that attacks them with one, they use them for breaking a door down instead of using ammo on the lock.
The size of your muscles dosn't mater, you could have huge muscles and still be a whimp and unable to lift your own body weaght, and you could have muscles that are not even big enough to flex and still rip some one a new one.
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yeth
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 08:30
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Muscle size matter pretty fu*king much. Every one says that it doesn't because most people think that bodybuilders aren't really strong, sure they aren't stong when they are competing... why? Because they have no fat and as you should know fat acts as a energy reserve for muscles and if you don't have that energy reserve then you can't have energy to effectively use your muscles. And bodybuilders, wehn competing, are usually allmost on the verge of dehydration due to the extreme preparations made...
I'm sorry if I said that DU weights mroe than other forms of ammunition, it doesn't. What it does have is MUCH higher density, sure tanks use DU rounds, why? Because the weights doesn't matter in tanks and the DU part of the DU ammunition is small if it is APFSDS round.
Just try running in normal soldiers gear, and then imagine running with DU rounds... And of course the DU needs MUCH more propellant to actually work effectively, and this increases the ammunition size. Making the rounds heavy AND clumsy. And to use sword she'll need to be able to be agile, ruling out heav and clumsy equipment...
If you mean H-bomb as a hydrogen bomb then they are nuclear weapons, how did you get the idea that they weren't, where did oyou hear that it doesn't split the atom... It sure as hell does, it creates radioactivity, it creates BIG concussion wave and it creates one hell of a firestorm. And for fu*ks sake where did you get the idea that one nuke can destroy third of USA? I must say, you are incredible, if you seriously believe this to be true. They do not Destroy third of USA, 10 20megaton missiles oculdn't destroy one state, why? Because they don't explode that big. But what they do is create Big fires and lots and lots of radiation. They don't destroy material that well, but what they destroy expertly is human lives, with mutation and such "side effects".
And uranium isn't the most common, most common is plutonium, with that nice tritium core.
Try reading this site http://people.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb1.htm You might learn something.
And finally, I'd like to ask where are you from?
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Crazy Alien Lord
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 10:54
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Razor. one nuke would not take out a third of the US. the fall out from one nuke might affect one third. but that is so unlikely that Osama Bin Laden and George W bush would become homosexual lovers first.
secondly. Yeth. you are right about the H bomb. but in his defense he may have been thinking that the H bomb worked like it was originally planned to before it was even really designed or made. originally the H bomb was supposed to be (as far as i understand) a fusion bomb. im not entirerly sure if the manhatten project scientists got it to work as a fusion bomb or if it was a nuclear fission bomb. Fusion is taking to atoms and combining them. Like the sun does for hydrogen. it takes 2 hydrogen and makes 1 helium through fusion. atleast thats how i understood.
ofcourse this is from 8th grade social studies.
as far as your character being able to take on a whole hive with swords and daggers. HAHAHHAHAHHA. first off unless she found out how the yautja got their bladed weapons acid proof he blades would melt. besides the fact that you didnt specify how big or small the hive was. but lets say that your hive had a 100 members in it. they could over take her with shere mass numbers if they had to. now if a nuke was detonated in the atmostphere then the fallout could spread out and cause alot of damage to life that way. but no. yeth is right. 8 nukes would not be able to take out the US. maybe a state. a small state at that.
let alone you never specified the megaton amount.
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 11:40
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I only have three things to say at the moment, first I dout you have a 12th grade sience profesor telling you the facts. second plutonium is made in a labritory and is not as abundant because of it's low production and High cost ratio, well I wright I'm looking at the periodic table and uranium is natural but plutonium is syntheticly prepared. Therd is uranium buck shot would work perfactly because it's in a shot gun! you don't try to kill some one at long range with it its most efective at point blank to 60 yards and cunsidering the radiation it wouldent mater if it peirced skin or not and besides it's in a frigin story for god's sake leave it be and go do you own thing OK!
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 11:44
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On more thing, No shit the swords a acid profe Im not stupid! She can kill a hive easaly because she has magic that causes her sword to electricute the things. If you want to be rude and a know it all then be it to some one els!!!!
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 12:05
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from dragoncommando: A thermal nucular device and a hidrogen bomb are not even close to being the same. a nuke is the one that uses fision (not Fusion!) it shoots an electron threw a ueranium atom. hidregen explosiv devices use a method that does not use or produce radio active metirial. H bombs are not used or stored any more they used to be droped from a bomber air craft (B-52,etc). try this exparement to se how a h bomb works. fill a buloon with hdrogen (boil water in a ceddle) and it will flot to the cieling then take a pole and put a match on the end put the end under the buloon with the match lit if you get a BOOM!!! and your ears hert then it worked if a window breaks then now you will know how a hidrogen bomb works. now emagine that buloon as a 1 ton steel drum and a hi heat egnition thats what it is. containing helium fusion is what is used to get the hidrogen but it counts only for a small part of the explosion the hidrogen makes up for most of the BOOOOM!!! fusion does not use any radio active metirial nor does it produce any!
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yeth
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 14:00
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Oh yes, how many times have I had people tell me that they got their information from professors and such, perhaps they do, perhaps not.
The bomb you described, we did same kinda in chem class, filled a bottle with hydrogen, lit a flame underneath it and boom it shot to the ceiling lamp hard, nice bomb sure, usable as military bomb, no. The explosion isn't that great or that big, you can do better with conventional explosives.
We both were right, I just thought that you meant Hydrogen bomb as a thermonuclear hydrogen bomb, not pure hydrogen in something.
The first A-bombs were fission bombs, modern day thermnuclear bombs are fusion-fission or fission-fusion-fission (perhaps it was fusion-fissio-susion,, but I doubt this) And thus they are multiphased. Modern day nukes usually use tritium core wtih plutonium rod, and uranium shielding as that site said. And the fact there are no pure fusion bombs, if humans could make fusion reactor all our energy problems would be solved, clean pure, cheap energy. But as they aren't were stuck with multiphased (modern thermo's) or the older type fission.
No matter how magical and nifty she is, she can't take on 100 xeno's Because they could just pinn her down with they weight, her magic, sure it's nice and cool and stuff. But she would get exhausted before she would kill them all. Even if people say size doesn't matter, it and numbers matter a whole lot.
Yes it is your story, yes it is just a story, but ffs at least I like to read stories which wont go over the top and have somekind of realism.
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Crazy Alien Lord
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 14:27
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if its a fantasy story with magic you should have said something. we wouldnt have to have gone into this whole thing and saved alot of aggervation.
i got to agree with yeth though. i do like stories that are semi realistic. but just put a disclamer on it.
and one last thing. this is more towards dragon whatever you are. CREATE AN ACCOUNT YOUR SELF!!!
its really not hard. and it will save alot of head ache from now on.
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 14:53
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thats why the manhatten project scientists tried to create it. and many other people have tried to create fusion power.
just to point one last thing out. if you didnt want our comments and critizism then you should not have posted it on a forum.
i got this same critisism from yeth and some others on one of my stories. you just got to take critisism and info from other people. i have now used their critisism to help make my stories better. without their critisism and all i would have kept writing how i started. ill be the first to admit. my first story here SUCKED!!! my other stories are better. or atleast i think they are.
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well first off wether you were talking to me or yeth. deal with it. thats how i am. to me i dont consider that being rude. i can be rude though if you want. and in my oppinion yeth wasnt being rude. i found his information very usefull. maybe he isnt all that nice in the way he puts things. but if everyone was nice about critisism and all then nobody would improve as a writer. its due to nutty, yeth, and some others that i have changed slightly my characters path and story. My writing has improved becuase of all of them. and especially becuase of Mar'kel-ja.
but hey if you dont want our comments and all if they arent nice and saying that your writing is god like then fine.
OK PEOPLE NOBODY EVER SAY ANYTHING BAD OR ANYTHING THAT ISNT NICE ABOUT RAZORTECHS WRITING!!! HELL A BETTER IDEA!!! JUST DONT COMMENT!!!
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people from ever bothering you again.
have a great day and continue the GREAT writing.  
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now i am beggining to be rude. But i can be ruder.
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yeth
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 15:54
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I admit that I might've not been all that nice on few things, sorry for that. I jsut got a bit aggravated because I've had few arguments with people who think... well let's just say for them it would be possible for afganistan to invade USA and win them in a "fair fight" and I hope you undertand that.
True that I critizised ALNS same way I'm happy to hear that it helped. I many tmes pick these kind of things and other "easy" (as paragraphing and describing things) to note the writer about as I'm not all that good at pointing out more technical writing stuff.
Perhaps I could say this in an other way: The buckshot idea is plausible as long as you remember the limitations of it. Your nukes are horrendously overpowered (to be modernday) or they could easily be more high tech, but for them to destroy a continent it would have to be BIG, big enough to easiyl shoot down, too big for modern propulsion ways to move around. And perhaps you should describe the H-bomb more accurately, to avoid giving ideas similar to what I got.
You characters seem to have alot of unique qualities, perhaps too much for my taste. I didn't like that magic part, but it should go pretty well with the story as long as you wont overdo it (you can if you want, but I'd suggest against it) and you should tell us at least somekinds of limits it has, you told us aobut the stamina, but how soon and how fast does it drain it? You could tell this in a story, in a part where the character fights or practises.
I'll write more if I get mroe ideas.
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 16:42
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I normaly take it well I was hoping you would just realize that there are two types of critisizum, think of what I said as a test of character, you probably think it's nuts but I test my freinds to see there persanality.
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Razortech Xeno ...
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 17:09
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Well mana is whats used first but it all dipends on the fighter, the more they use it the more they'll have but only if they completly drain themselves every time, it works just like your muscles by lifting weaghts you tire your muscles and that causes your body to think (so to speek) it has to add more muscle tishu to that area strengthening it. When it drains however the magic switches to there normal stanima and that drains ten times as fast. There is realy only two things they can do, one is efectivly tazer there enemys with it but it's not lethal in any way, the second is there swords have a quarts cristal core inside a spiecel metal that wont melt nomater what you do to it, you could break it if you hit it extreamly hard but it has the ability to ripar itself, it is made in a nanite factory and the nano's stay with it after its made to ripar any dameg to it. They put electricity threw there swords or fire if they want but not much can be done with there magic. As for the propoultion on the nukes, like i said there space programe is way past owers so they don't use normal modern rockets, insted they have the usual fusion drives but they construct disposibal ones for there nukes. Might as it's not coming back. [img]/images/forum/smilies/icon_smile.gif[/img] they do follow the same tridition as humans do when luanching them by wrighting notes to the enemy, the funeist one was "If you can read this your to close!!" [img]/images/forum/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Skar'ku_Mar'kel-ja
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Posted on: 2004-04-13 17:41
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Bring us back to the topic of GRB Weapon projectiles, I agree with Yeth in some terms, but in some ways you are both wrong. Depleyed uranium projectiles are acutually lighter than the standard soft nose lead projectiles. Sure it maybe alot more dense in physical properties, but a DU round of the same physical dimension as a standard military round is actually around 17% lighter, and is actually more acurate depending on the cylic rate and cooling properties of the weapon.
Now you all know why they use DU rounds right? Because they are close to impervious at extremely high veocities. If you doubt me, i can give you a contact telephone number of Dr. Brian Peter Elmes (my moms brother) .dip with honors from the university of washington in Nuclear Physcis, Biology, Chemistry etc. He is the brain of my entire family, and happens to be (at present) in weapons research and development (AURAS). he explained things to me in a basic term, and still confused the crap outta me. You can beleive me if you want, i couldn't really care, but i know how it works, i see him almost every week. anyways, bak to DU.
What was i saying...? Ahh, right, as i sed the DU round is very accurate and highly penatrative at high velocity. now all is fine and dandy, but another great property of DU projectiles is that, once they penetrate a sheet of armor, then tend to "spawl" which if you don't know, means the round pretty much breaks down via heat transfer, and the force upon the projectile. Once the round "spawls" it kinda acts like a shot gun cartrige, just travelling at a much greater speed, match the standard 12gauge shotgun at around 1900fps, to something like a Dual Parralelled GM -H2460 (most of these are tank or stand mounted anti personel weapons) they fire at around 5800fps. i would love to go in more depth, but yeh, i have things to do. i may attempt to get more info of my uncle at some other time. but i usually have to get him reasonably drunk before hand... 
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Posted on: 2004-04-14 21:00
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I was waiting for someone to say what Mar just did. ecsept amagin buch shot that does that instead of a single slug, because of this "spralling" it does more damage, OH and please don't think im covering up a mistak by saying that, I have so called freinds that always think they know more than I do. They call themselves my freinds but it's just I'm stuck siting next to them in english class. Oh and speaking of tanks that another thing they have alittle better than us, they have one man auto loading tanks so if it gets destroyed only one troop goes with it.
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