The only time we see Eisenberg through an Alien's eyes is right at the end, where obviously he is torn in half and revealed to be a synth. The real question, Huddson, is when the switch between the live Eisenberg and the artificial Eisenberg took place, and why.

Beg to differ.



During cutscenes and on those little notebook teminals lying around everywhere, the game makes reference to Eisenberg's father being a specialist in SYNTHETIC LIMB REPLACEMENT or somesuch. I'd postulate Eisenberg was fairly mauled in the limb dept...had replacements grafted on but was still mostly human, and the synth blood is from limbs the aliens tore off of him.

And one incident of cannibalism may not be grounds for dismissal...remember, the guy was crippled and suffered a nervous breakdown, with no other available food.

So prosthetic limbs would keep him alive, ranting incoherently even when he's been torn in half? It's a given that the Eisenberg in the final scene was a synth. Eisenberg's father was indeed into the synthetic limb replacement stuff, but it was Rykov who got that particular treatment, not Eisenberg.

I thought Rykov just got some basic replacement surgery and some kinda nervous system implant to reverse the paralysis?



Anyway, i don't remember seeing Eisenberg torn in half (unless you're talking about the final scene where he's about to be implanted)--seems to me he was missing a hand or something, maybe part of another limb...(don't ask me how the blood loss didn't kill him...) but i doubt the limb replacement and/or whatever else was to save his life so much as restore his movement (ask me he would've been more interesting in a wheelchair Stephen Hawking style anyway lol), and i just have trouble accepting that a synth replacement would be so nervous and unstable....

He didn't have any legs in the final scene. Or anything else for that matter below the stomach. And he was ranting incoherently, as though some chip in his head had busted. He was a synth, man. But at which point was he human?



Anyway, Rykov had some kind of experimental synthetic implant put into him, the kind Eisenberg Senior was working on. There was nothing basic about it-- it was so advanced, he was one of the first test subjects. It didn't go well, he was dependant on painkillers to stop it from hurting constantly. But he was one extremely screwed up individual anyway.

Sorry, needed to clarify...i remember he was torn in half in the final cutscene, i was refering to the earlier flashbacks when he was pulling his hannibal lecter bit. He was missing a few appendages there i'm fairly sure.



If Eisenberg is completely synth, why would he have flashbacks though? The pioneering-of-android-brain-coding? Mayhaps Eisenberg himself was barely aware himself of his nature? Dunno, maybe they've gotten the AI so sophisticated that a synth could actually develop PTSD or some other purely mental disorder.

BTW hudson is right...before the final cutscene it's Eisenberg coming after you with a sniper rifle, and he has no pheromone signature. When you hit him it cuts straight to the cocooning scene.

Way I figure there are a few possibilites:

1:EB was always synth, and not aware of it completely. Very humanlike flaws written into his programming, or simply design flaws. Or perhaps the memories were written in to the synth falsely, (after the real EB was committed or didn't survive), resulting in similar madness to the original.

2:EB was more or less total synthetic only after the first incident, but his actual memories and traits were somehow transferred to the synth 'brain'.

3:EB was mortally wounded as a human in the first incident, chewed up, and got fitted with lots of parts.The differences in his behaviour are sheerly psychological scars from the trauma...think Ahab in moby dick....

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3:EB was mortally wounded as a human in the first incident, chewed up, and got fitted with lots of parts.The differences in his behaviour are sheerly psychological scars from the trauma...think Ahab in moby dick....

well it can't be that reason because the human parts would still give off pheromone signature to the alien. Unless it was just a brain transplant into a syth body.

There's only really 2 possibilities.



1. He was a synth all along, and we've never seen a human Eisenberg. I for one find this unlikely, because of the vast wealth of evidence pointing to option #2.



2. He WAS a human, but was "replaced" with a synth. There's lots of evidence pointing to this option. For one thing, at one specific point -- after the incident where he did the Hannibal Lector impression (nice one Mammal ) -- one of the datapads notes that his personality suddenly underwent a massive change. You'd expect him to undergo changes after the ordeal, but these changes make him more efficient and overall point to his being swapped for a synthetic. Others think maybe he used a synth as a distraction right at the end, and for all the rest of the time we saw a human Eisenberg.

I have a half ass theory and I am going ot tell it to you



Eisenbergs father replaced Eisenberg for some reason perhaps he killed his son or something in that lines so he replaced him with a synth because he knew about synths. The company could perhaps have found out Eisenberg was a synths and gave him a upgrade but his memories where damaged in the upgrade.



I read something about Eisenberg screaming like a idiot before he got implanted but if he was a synths he couldn't be implanted.

Yeah, that's what throws me. Don't see why they'd cocoon him if he were synth, except maybe to torture him. Which is a distinct possibility...there is another explanation tho--sheer brain queefage on part of the designers.

It was probably out of sheer malice. Eisenberg had captured the Empress, so the Empress captured Eisenberg. It's not entirely out of the question, you remember that time in Alien Resurrection when the alien presses a button, activating that freezing air (cmon, it's been a while since i last saw it) which the bloke used on it, killing the man? Well, the Alien could easily have gone into the room after him and killed him, but it decided to use a more fitting method-- revenge. Okay so the Res bugs had mutated DNA, but it doesn't entirely rule out the possibility of Aliens having such malice.

You cant exactly deny that the aliens are stupid. Why else did the queen in Aliens set her hive up in the atmosphere processing building? Obviously she knew that the company wouldn't want to destroy the colony because they wanted her alive, yes? Maybe the queen is smart as we know, but maybe the drones are also smart?

Whether aliens are smart isn't the question (it's obviously a foregone conclusion anyway). The question is whether they can feel hate, or can know the concept of revenge.

Dr Eeisenburg was human untill he ate all those pepole, then his farther (a realy important rich guy) probably threw him in a paded cell (or killed him) then cause he douse reasurch on droides ( importantly: memory implantation) he made one of his son so his family wouldent have to be discraced by what he did...



The reasion why he (android version)see's things is cause of the memory he recived was that of a nut case!!!





[ This message was edited by: ELFY on 2002-05-17 19:52 ]

well i agree with u about he was repalced with android after he ate all the ppl but not about his rich dad putting him away or killing.

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he was replaced with android after he ate all the ppl

Well thats not a true fact I believe there are those androids that need to eat to make energy and if the android Eisenberg was programmed to think he was a human then he would have thought 'human need food to live' and have ate those people because he thought he was human. We do know that synth Eisenberg wasn't to good up stairs so perhaps he had a melt down and ate those people.

Just like Hannible

why would an android need to eat to survive, i think u are thinking of cyborgs which would need to eat to feed the organic parts of them. Why desin an android thats needs to eat wouldn't be alot easier if they use batteries as you would need to convert the energy from one kind to another. I don't think they would programme an android without out any protocolsso that it would eat anything including murder.

*Grabs his copy of Aliens: Earth hive and Aliens: Nightmare Asylum*

Hey Snoopafella if I remember correctly Bueller once told Billie about a new line of synths that would be made that would be like a human have red blood even think they are human hell even eat and have sex but Bueller himself was a synth (he also had sex and he could grow hair by eating) and he was created to fit in with the marines and let them all think he was human because marines didn't think it was save to with a synth in their group (think of aliens they go crazy) so there where synths that where meant to eat to created energy to better fit in with the rest of the marines so perhaps Eisenberg synth was some sort of new synth that thought he was human and needed to eat even thought he was human but was a synth.



Sorry if that is a little confusion.